How Should Christians Respond To The Ray Boltz News?


I think the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains it nicely.

Chastity and homosexuality

 

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Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358
The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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20 Responses

  1. When someone so enveloped by their passions is resolved toward hard-heartedness, how are we to approach teaching others?

    Ray Boltz: “If this is the way God has made me, then this is the way I’m going to live.”

    First: He blames God.
    Second: He shows no signs of conviction.

    Sexual sins seem to be the strongest. Whether it is living in an adulterous situation, homosexuality, or porn addiction, it is much like substance addiction. Of course we should always approach them with compassion and understanding, but as the cliche says, The first step is to admit you have a problem.

    It’s not a question of condemning someone. It’s more of a question of, “Is this person striving to imitate Christ?”

    It seems to me that he is a servant of his carnal nature and has no desire to break free.

  2. Great points tjoseph!
    I agree.

    It will be very interesting to see how this develops.

  3. Hello Timglass,

    I am not a Catholic, but I do respect the denomination. If that is ok to use the word denomination in this case.

    Correct me if I am wrong in assuming that what the Catechism says is, if someone is a homosexual or has homosexual tendencies then they ought not to act on them. As with other sins, we are to turn to God and give that sin up for him in order to approach Christian perfection. In other words repent for the sin.

    Since I have become a Christian and now believe in the Word of God, the Bible, I believe that like other sins we are to resist and seek God’s help. If an adult male has a strong desire for adolescent girls then he is to turn from that sin and not act on it. Or if a married man has a desire for another woman, he is to turn from that sin and repent while praying for sanctification and removal of that desire. If an alcoholic has the strong desire to drink then he should turn from that sin and seek God’s help in repentance.

    Am I on the right track with the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality?

    I like what Joseph said, “It’s not a question of condemning someone. It’s more of a question of, “Is this person striving to imitate Christ?”

    I have made a life decision to resist things that take me away from God and pursue things that take me closer to Him and his desire for how we should live.

    That is how I teach my Chemically Dependent Clients. They learn that God will help them turn from their dependency on chemicals if they will repent from that sin. This is a long and deep subject and I do explain to them the chemical reactions in the body and their genetic predisposition for Chemical Dependency. So I tie together the science with the spiritual. It is a long process.

    God Bless,
    riggword

  4. riggword,
    Yes, if I understand you correctly, you are on the right track with the CCC.

    One of the things I acknowledge readily, is that at times, the Catholic language is hard to understand. What I mean is, they say the same thing (in alot of cases) that Protestants say, they just say them in a different way and with different words, and it can be confusing.

    But, just as you described, the alcoholic has to turn away from the drink and to God, the homosexual has to turn from their desire, and turn to God. Their struggles, though different, are still struggles. If the alcoholic gives in to temptation, he’s considered a drunk. However if he comes back to the AA meeting and asks for help, he can receive it from a supporting group. I think homosexuals, who struggle in their chastity, find no support within the (mainline) church (es).

    As a visitor to your blog, I know you see, how nasty and mean so-called christians can be. I know you also see how liberal they can be, too. What the church (we) need to learn to do is to really love our neighbor. Just cut out the lip service, and show our love and concern for one another. As St. Paul said, putting others before ourselves; bearing one anothers burdens.

    But yes, turning from sin and turning to God for the grace, mercy and strength to persevere….that’s what the CCC is saying.

    It always great to hear from you riggword!
    God bless you.

  5. It may just be me, but I see the Catechism above as contradictory. I am not familiar with the Catholic Church so it could just be me. What I see is a condemning of the homosexual lifestyle followed by an acceptance. Maybe I am just not reading it right.

    Anyway, good comments from tjoseph, Tim and Rigg.

  6. What the CCC is saying in essense is; Love the sinner and hate the sin.

    It doesn’t mean tolerating a lifestyle, it means first showing respect for all human life, after all, everyone is made in the image and likeness of God.

    On our part it does call us to respond to those who struggle with this sin; to show the love and compassion for those who are trying to break free from this lifestyle. As Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, “Go and sin no more.” We need to be a support and at the same time hold them accountable for their actions. Of course, this would apply to any and all sin, and those willingly seeking help/forgiveness and support to overcome it.

    As I was telling riggword, that Catholic/Protestant language *thang* can be difficult at times.

    Thanks for bringing it out though, I’m sure you weren’t the only one to see it that way, and it gives me the oppotunity to explain it in “every day” language.

    Thanks peak9, you’re always welcome here.
    You too, riggword. 🙂

  7. “It’s psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.”

    Therein, I think, lies one of the most often heard excuses for that particular behavior. This is also where the doctrine of Original Sin comes to view.
    Am I wrong in assuming that the CCC explains that it’s in the act, or better, the reaction to the temptation that makes the person accountable?
    It seems that so many excuse their behavior as being inborn. They discount free will. They seem to confuse wants and needs. I was always taught that the basic needs of a person are food, water, and shelter. Anything beyond that is optional. We HAVE TO eat, drink, and protect ourselves from a harmful environment, but we CHOOSE TO drink Coke, eat a hamburger, and live in a two-story house.
    Setting ourselves apart (sanctifying) from the other critters roaming about on the earth, we can through faith overcome, for a time, those even basic needs through fasting, etc.
    How much more are we capable of overcome those things that are optional?

  8. One aspect of dealing with this issue that I have always found confounding is the weight that many of my fellow Christians place on this particular sin. It is as though the sin of homosexuality is somehow much worse than say adultery or drunkenness.

    I believe that if we deal with this sin as we deal with other sins then the Church may be able to help more people come out of that lifestyle. Ok “lifestyle” may be a little politically correct, but this is a blog for all readers.

    On the other hand, unfortunately, too many “Christian” churches are now accepting this sin as “normal” while still standing against other sins.

    The Church needs to stand strong on this issue, while using compassion on an individual basis. Each person is unique and a child of God. The Bible is clear, nature reveals man and woman as different, and we must not bow down to politically correct pressure. But when an individual comes into our lives who is practicing this sin, we need to search deep down into our Christlike divine nature and love them to Christ and away from sin. However loving them also requires that we do not accept the sin.

    Sometimes connecting the dots between Catholicism and Protestantism can be tricky. I have had many Catholic friends and I have taken Bible classes taught by Episcopalian professors where we used the Catholic Bible. Personally I have come to some peace with this issue. The main point is to agree on the essentials and have friendly debate over the non-essentials. If a person has truly given their hearts and lives to Christ, as the thief on the cross did, then he/she will spend eternity with God. The particular religion is a means to help us grow closer to understanding His essence. Of course we do benefit in how we live our lives on this planet through our understanding of the word.

    This is another subject that could take many days and possible years to discus. Hm I guess people have been discussing the differences for 2,000 years.

    God Bless,
    riggword

  9. Now that I have gotten involved in this subject, I have more thoughts on the original question.

    How should Christians respond to the Ray Boltz News?

    First off I had to find out what the Ray Boltz News is.
    I thought it might be a News blog or something. You see I do not follow Christian pop culture. I had no clue who Ray Bolz was.

    Which leads to my answer. As Christians we have one who we should look to for our guidance and wisdom, Jesus. If we look to performers as our hope and light we will be disappointed. If we somehow base our faith on our favorite singer, or favorite pastor for that matter then we will fall short of knowing Christ. Our faith is in Him and Him alone. Ray Boltz is just another sinner who needs a Saviour.

    We should respond with prayer for his soul and for his repentance. He is not our guiding light. He is an imperfect man who needs to repent. As for his records, I guess each of his fans will have to make their own minds up on whether to continue to buy them.

    Personally, I would have a difficult time listening to Gospel music sung by someone who refuses to repent. I would question a person’s Christianity if they continue in their sin and do not repent . Continuing in sin shows defiance towards God and rebellion against His word. If Ray Boltz was in my Church and he refused to turn from his sin and walk the Godly path, then I would expect that Church discipline would ask him to leave the church.

    I am sure that he could find a nice friendly non-Biblical secular church to go to.

    God Bless,
    riggword.

  10. This Ray Boltz issue, and before today I did not know he was, reminds me of the Amy Grant uproar over her divorce. Grant, in essence, was engaging in an adulterous affair even if it was not physical. I do not follow Grant any so I cannot speak about her repentance or what she has said regarding her affair and divorce. I imagine she has asked for forgiveness and has repented.

    Boltz is no different. His actions are forgivable, but he needs to turn from this sin. If not, he is showing defiance and rebellion as Rigg pointed out.

  11. peak9, you are so right. You know, I do remember hearing rumbles and grumbles about it, but it wasn’t made into the big deal that this seems to be. She (and her husband Vince Gill) are accepetd in their church community and all seems forgiven.

    But what if she had hooked up with k.d.lang or Melissa Ethridge or something like that… I think rigg made a great point;

    “One aspect of dealing with this issue that I have always found confounding is the weight that many of my fellow Christians place on this particular sin. It is as though the sin of homosexuality is somehow much worse than say adultery or drunkenness.”

    That’s something for me to ponder on a bit more.

  12. I think the reason that homosexuality is treated with more contempt than other grave sins is because of the attitude of the homosexuals. They not only deny the sinfulness of their actions, but tout homosexuality as a valid alternate lifestyle, work to get it socially and legally accepted, and sometimes go to great lengths to entice others to join their ranks. These are attitudes and actions not normally found in murderers, rapists, drunkards, adulterers and thieves.

  13. Good Point chisticrux,

    The fact that many homosexuals are so militant and aggressive we have to rise to the occasion and fight back. When they start trying to change the laws it effects me and my children and Grand Children.

    When they try to force their lifestyle into our Churches and the Boy Scouts with laws we have a fight on our hands.

    When they want to display their passion in public we have a problem.

  14. I certainly understand these actions from militant homosexuals outside the church, but others struggling with same sex attraction who are part of the church, don’t seem to act in this way. Yet they are the ones who leave (mainstream churches) to find “gay” churches, which embrace their lifestyle, instead of instructing them in truth.

    As Christians, and as Catholics, the Bible and the CCC make it clear, we are to show love and compassion for those in this situation. But thoes in that situation, turn from us because they fear rejection and harsh judgement . They end up fearing their own family and leave to find acceptance with a false family…..that kind of reminds me of the parable of the prodigal son.

  15. christicrux nailed it. There certainly is a militant faction within the homosexual community that is hellbent on destroying religion, in particularly Christianity. There goal is to change societal norms while at the same time deriding Christians for bringing any religious imposition upon them.

    Tim also is correct. There is an increasing number of “warm and fuzzy” churches that are turning the homosexual lifestyle and the Christian faith into bedfellows. John MacArthur, Jr. said in his book The Gospel According To Jesus that these churches are nothing more than a Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, with Jesus being Mr. Rogers. The church service then becomes a weekly psychotherapy session.

  16. God sent Jehu to remove the unrepentant Jews.

    He can send something we do not like to take care of the wishy washy warm and fuzzy Christians.

    Just pray that you are not in the wrong church at the wrong time. Or in the wrong neighborhood, or state,….or…..

    At the same time, I still believe in strong loving firm compassion to help people who struggle with sin.

    Hey what do you all think about why so many women hate Sarah Palin.

    When you get a chance come over and leave your thoughts at riggword.

  17. Jesus said, “Those without this sin cast the first stone.” He made a stand on sexuality and the penalty for it right there and then.

    You people are making too much out of nothing. Ray Boltz is still Ray Boltz. If his sexual lifestyle changes affect you or anyone else at all, then they should be deemed as wrong…but they don’t. He is doing no harm to anyone.

    This guy has more talent in his pinky finger than almost any Christian artist I have ever seen or heard.

    It is this idiotic rambling about, “How do I deal with a gay guy?” that just plain makes me sick.

    Love, acceptance, tolerance, appreciation…maybe…

    Ray is a good guy still, and always has been. I’ll even bet he has done more for the Christian community than anyone commenting on this board.

    So Screw you all and you elitist attitudes. This is EXACTLY why I refuse to go to church anymore. Everyone is your judge and the ALMIGHTY takes second place. Let GOD be the judge.

    …And just so all of you haters out there know…I’m the son of an “Assembly of God” Minister…10 years happily married with two kids…totally HETEROSEXUAL. I just think everyone makes too much out of nothing here.

    I’m out, and don’t bother responding, because I won’t be back. You’ll only be trying to impress each other with your responses….so puff those feathers boys…GOD loves that…I’m sure.

    Ray if you read this, You are still a good guy. Don’t let these fools PASS JUDGMENT on you….that is outside their realm.

  18. Oh AJ….where to start….from the beginning I suppose:

    Jesus said, “Those without this sin cast the first stone.” He made a stand on sexuality and the penalty for it right there and then.

    May we look at the context of Jesus’ statement please? Yes, it was a stand on sexual sin, the sin of adultery. Yet this woman was turning away from this sin and toward Christ, not turning from Christ to embrace her sin. Thus He states, “Go and sin no more.”

    You people are making too much out of nothing. Ray Boltz is still Ray Boltz. If his sexual lifestyle changes affect you or anyone else at all, then they should be deemed as wrong…but they don’t. He is doing no harm to anyone.

    AJ, the Bible staes the opposite of what you state. St Paul, in I Corinthians 12: 25 – 27, teaches through the Holy Spirit “that there should be no division in the body [the Church] that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it. Now you are Christ’s body, and individually members of it.”

    This guy has more talent in his pinky finger than almost any Christian artist I have ever seen or heard.

    Nobody here questioned his talent.

    It is this idiotic rambling about, “How do I deal with a gay guy?” that just plain makes me sick.

    Grab an air sickness bag.

    Love, acceptance, tolerance, appreciation…maybe…

    That is exactly what we are trying to grasp here.

    Ray is a good guy still, and always has been. I’ll even bet he has done more for the Christian community than anyone commenting on this board.

    I have no doubt that Ray is a “good guy”. But the Bible doesn’t say that “good guys” go to heaven, in fact the Bible says again through St. Paul in I Corinthians 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the the kingdom of God.” And any good he has done, is still as a filthy garment before God (Is. 64:6).

    So Screw you all and you elitist attitudes.

    What happened to, “Love, acceptance, tolerance, appreciation…” Hypocritical, don’t you think?

    This is EXACTLY why I refuse to go to church anymore. Everyone is your judge and the ALMIGHTY takes second place. Let GOD be the judge.

    So you are going to let other people dictate your spirituality to you, huh? God is certainly the judge, but let us again see what St. Paul says through the Holy Spirit, again in I Corinthians 5: 11-13, “But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person. For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside. “Purge the evil person from your midst.”

    …And just so all of you haters out there know…I’m the son of an “Assembly of God” Minister…10 years happily married with two kids…totally HETEROSEXUAL. I just think everyone makes too much out of nothing here.

    Is a brother sinning against God, and his brothers and sisters in His Body really “nothing” to you? Your spirtiual heritage means nothing, since you evidently have forsaken Christian teaching.

    I’m out, and don’t bother responding, because I won’t be back. You’ll only be trying to impress each other with your responses….so puff those feathers boys…GOD loves that…I’m sure.

    Oh, but I have to respond to the twisting of truth, whether you return or not isn’t my concern; but the truth and the building up of the faith and knowledge of thoes in Christ is. And God does love that, when we seek to worship Him “in spirit and truth.”

    Ray if you read this, You are still a good guy. Don’t let these fools PASS JUDGMENT on you….that is outside their realm.

    Ray, if you do read this little ol’ blog; please know that we as your brothers and sisters do love you, but we do not love the sin you have chosen to associate yourself with, thus willingly separating yourself from God. Please, return to the Father. And we will continue to pray that God has mercy on you and all “sinners” (myself included) that are most in need of His mercy. We will also pray for you AJ, that God will remove the scales from your eyes, that do not allow you to see sin as God has revealed it in His word.

  19. Well said!!

    AMEN

  20. Thank you Julie.

    Blessings to you.

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